Dallas Loses 34-3, But Did Not Choke

Well, you can’t win them all. As a person and fan, I’ve have to learn to accept that. Sometimes you don’t win the big games.

This game the Cowboys lost while it is tragic they did, you can’t win them all. There are some days where it would have been close, where Dallas would’ve won, where Minnesota would’ve won, where one is a blowout like today or a close one.

It comes down to who played the better game that day and that was Minnesota. This loss was painful, but Dallas wasn’t horrible, Minnesota was just good.

If I may, I’d like to drift off for a second. Before I realized that sportswriting was my calling, I wanted to be a lawyer like in Law & Order. Well, one of the most famous legal quotes is by Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart when it came to the definition of obscenity.

“I cannot define it, but I know it when I see it.”

Well, its the same thing with Dallas. The final score of 34-3 is one that many people who didn’t watch the game would say, “Aw, they got killed! They suck! They are such pathetic chokers!”

Well, they don’t know anything. They are immature haters usually. The reality is that Dallas played a hard game, but Minnesota was just better. There wasn’t a choking moment, the Vikings just controlled the game. There was a lot of bad luck for the Cowboys.

I cannot define the difference between choking and being outplayed, but I know it when I see it, and Dallas did not choke. I can’t upload film to my computer and send ESP to you to point out where this went wrong or how this was just Minnesota playing great ball, but I can hope that you trust my instincts and believe that Dallas is still a great team.

Believe it or not, there is a lot of luck in this game, and Dallas just had some bad luck today.

What Dallas needs to do is to reevaluate themselves. Look at what needs to change on offense or on defense. They need to constantly train throughout the offseason. Preparation is half the game. Some of the best teams have had only good athletes, but they were disciplined and ready for the postseason.

Dallas was ready. I have no doubt they were ready, but they were probably inexperienced. This team now has more experience, and they will make an effort next year to go even further into playoffs. To may get that chance at a Super Bowl. To possibly get that sixth Super Bowl ring.

This was just not Dallas’ time. I truly believe that Minnesota was a team that no one could have beaten today. This team had everything going its way, and you can’t always prevent that.

Despite this loss, I am still a Cowboys fan. I love this team. I love these guys, and I’m proud of them. They seem like a team that is seriously a contender for a Super Bowl for years to come maybe.

I remember in the 1970s, one of the finest teams that was playing was the Oakland Raider coached by Hall of Fame coach and legendary announcer John Madden, was a team that was eliminated often in the postseason.

From 1969 to 1978, John Madden won 103 regular season games with the Raiders and won nine playoff games.

Before 1976 however, Madden was known as the coach who couldn’t win the big one, and his team was known as one who couldn’t finish it all in playoffs.

To paraphrase him from the 1976 America’s Game, “People say that Madden can’t win the big one. Well, before the game, tell me when there’s a little one?”

They had won big games, they had won playoff games, they hadn’t won a championship, but Madden was never discouraged because if you constantly work at it and keep trying, then you will win a Super Bowl. John Madden was very calm and very confident in his guys for the upcoming season.

He finally assembled a team that went 13-1 and won the Super Bowl 32-14. It did happen for him because he realized that sometimes great teams take a while to get it all done.

Dallas has won big games, they’ve won a playoff game, they won in December and January, so they haven’t won a Super Bowl yet, but they are on the right track for that and I believe that it will happen one day for these guys.

Even if they don’t do it next year, I’ll still be watching these guys, and I’ll still believe in them.

So, if any Cowboy reads this, know I got your back too guys.

James Williamson is also an accomplished writer for http://www.nfltouchdown.com/ and http://bleacherreport.com/

Cowboys Free Agents for 2010

I know it’s been a little over 24 hours since the Cowboys season ended. And I know most of us probably need a break from the long season, but a wise person once told me that the season never ends on LSS.

Here is a list of the Cowboys Free Agents for 2010.

OG Montrae Holland

WR Miles Austin
DE Stephen Bowen
CB Cletis Gordon
DE Jason Hatcher
WR Sam Hurd
OT Pat McQuistan
C Duke Preston
C Cory Procter
S Gerald Sensabaugh
NT Junior Siavii
DE Marcus Spears
K Shaun Suisham
S Pat Watkins

CB Alan Ball
LB Steve Octavien

I’m sure we will all agree who should be at the top of the list to sign. I’m also trying to get a list of the 2010 Free Agents from the other NFL teams.

Here are my thoughts on the Cowboys list of Free Agents.

OG Montrae Holland, Depth on the line. Maybe

WR Miles Austin, Of course we need to sign him. He has earned it
DE Stephen Bowen, Sign him. I like his upside
CB Cletis Gordon, Don’t know much about him
DE Jason Hatcher, Sign him. Like Bowen I like his upside
WR Sam Hurd, Decent receiver, but nothing special
OT Pat McQuistan, If we can find better in FA or the draft then say goodbye
C Duke Preston, Never really got a chance to see him
C Cory Procter, Goodbye
S Gerald Sensabaugh, Need to sign him. Loved his play this season
NT Junior Siavii, Could go either way. Need a backup for Ratliff
DE Marcus Spears, Have never been a fan. I like Bowen and Hatcher better
K Shaun Suisham, After Sunday. Goodbye
S Pat Watkins, Great special teams player and decent safety

CB Alan Ball, Needed depth in secondary
LB Steve Octavien, Never really got a chance to see him

In other news today it has been reported by many people that Jerry Jones will keep Wade Phillips as the head coach. After how the team played this season, especially the second half of the season I think this was a good decision. No word on any other coaches which includes Jason Garrett. I have mixed feelings on Garrett, but since Phillips is staying on my thought is that Garrett will stay as well.

Will there be trades involving the Cowboys this off-season and before the draft? We all heard that before the trading deadline in 2009 that Cincinnati wanted Martellus Bennett. Could this still be a possible trade with John Phillips developing into a good tight end? If not to Cincinnati maybe another team?

What about Tashard Choice? Please don’t kill me on this thought because I love him on the Cowboys, but maybe it might be a good idea to explore the possibility. Kind of like striking while the fire is hot. Choice could start for a lot of teams in the league. Marion Barber and Felix Choice are the main backs in the Cowboys offense. Just a thought.

Congrats Cowboys

Yes, I said congratulations to the Cowboys…..not for a disappointing loss to the Vikings, but for the accomplishments they made throughout this season. At best, they were predicted to be an 8-8 team and yet they finished 11-5 and won the NFC East Division title! As we all know, they also beat division rivals Philadelphia Eagles not once, not twice, but THREE times with one of those games being a total shutout.

I’m not angry either about their loss to the Vikings like alot of fans are. Extremely disappointed would be the better word to describe how I feel about that game but hey, they can’t win them all. The Vikings were the better team at the time and they proved that on the field. Alot of people are blaming Romo (again) for this loss which is complete bs to me. If anyone is to blame, it would be the offensive line in my opinion. They weren’t protecting Romo well and he couldn’t make the plays he needed to. But what’s done is done, complaining about it now won’t change what happened. They just need to learn from their mistakes so they can make the necessary changes for next season.

Personally, I think that in the offseason, the Cowboys need to regroup and look back on the mistakes that were made and how to prevent them from happening again. The Cowboys definitely need to find a good kicker and whether or not Suisham stays remains to be seen. I was not impressed with him in the few games he played for the Boys this season. However, I am rather concerned about what Jerry Jones is going to do especially with the no salary cap season being a possibility. I’m not a big fan of Jerry Jones and I feel like some of his decisions concerning the team haven’t been that good.

To wrap things up, I’d just like to thank the Dallas Cowboys for giving their fans an exciting season of football to watch. These guys may not be perfect but they work their butts off to do the best they can each and every week and I still am and always will be dang proud to call myself a Cowboys fan!

All Good Things Must Come to an End

As we are all aware of, our Cowboys season ended today at the Metrodome in Minnesota. The Cowboys offense could not get anything going today. The offensive line broke down, they lost Flozell Adams early in the game and the they had to play catch-up all day. The defense played well for the most part, but they could not hold up for the whole game.

It was a nice run from our Cowboys who were projected as an 8-8 third place team in 2009. What we got was a team that grew together during the season and won a division championship. They beat the Eagles three times and knocked off the undefeated Saints when no one thought they had a chance. They won in December when no one thought they could. They won a playoff game when no one thought they would.

Am I upset at the loss? Not really. Disappointed? Oh yea!! All week we heard how the Vikings offensive linemen would not be able to hold up against the Cowboys defensive line. When in fact it was the other way around today. The Vikings rush was relentless and Tony Romo was running for his life all day. The Cowboys got beat by the better team today. I can’t get upset over that.

So it’s on to the off-season. Let’s hope this playoff loss is a building block for this team to improve themselves in all areas and get better for next season. Get better with the draft and maybe add one or two players in free agency. I can’t help but think back to 1991 when the Cowboys went to Detroit and lost 38-6 in the second round of the playoffs. That game vaulted the Cowboys into winning three of the next four Super Bowls.

My Offensive MVP goes to Tony Romo for improving and not letting the media run his life and Miles Austin for becoming one of the best young receivers in the NFL.

My Defensive MVP goes to Keith Brooking for making the defense one of the best in the NFL and Mike Jenkins for having a great second season and leading the team with five interceptions.

Congratulations to the defending NFC Eastern Division Champion Dallas Cowboys on a great season.

A Fans Point Of View

I thought that this blog would be a little different than the last one I have written. I feel I have let my fellow writers down since I started writing for Lone Stay Struck. I never did “officially” introduce myself.

Well, I feel that there is no better time than now to tell you a little about me and my desire, passion and love for the Dallas Cowboys. Here is just a small example of what I go through each and every week as I prepare for the next game.

MONDAY: As I slowly make my way out of bed and into the shower I reflect on the game and a smile comes to my face I think to myself, WOW, The Cowboys just beat the Eagles for the third time this season, second time in a row. After a long day a work and a lot of trash talking back and forth, I finally collect my debts owed to me from the “haters” that bet against the Cowboys. I get home from work and immediately turn on sports center to catch up on the sports news of the day, and of course watch more highlights of the game. Monday is also poker night, and more trash talking and reflecting on a great game.

TUESDSAY: Out of bed and into the shower and on my way to work. Now the talk shifts to the following week’s game. I hear, Cowboys can not beat the Vikings, Favre is too good, and the Eagles don’t have Adrian Peterson. No the Eagles do not have Peterson, but the Boys still have Ware and Spencer, a comeback that causes silence.

WEDNESDAY: Had to work overnight and get home just in time to get the kids up for school and my son asks me, “Dad, do the Cowboys play today?” I feel proud as I now know I am raising my son the right way. Starting to get hyped up and excited, only a few more days until the big game. I make sure my jersey, beanie and jacket are clean and ready to be worn. Once again, poker night, and more trash talking and reflecting on a great game.

THURSDAY: Again had to work overnight, wife get kids off to school and I get to rest. Cowboy’s slippers, pajamas, cup and Sports Center to start my day. I make my arrangements on where I am going to be watching the game. Unfortunately, this time I know I have to work on Sunday so I am going to record the game and come home from work and watch it.

FRIDAY: I jump out of bed grab the phone and start calling my dad, brother and friends to talk about the game. I double check to make sure I have what I need on Sunday and make more phone calls. Hyped up and ready to go, cant’ wait for Sunday, GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!

This is just a small version of what I go through week in and week out throughout the football season. As you can imagine it can be hectic and fun all in one. Hopefully I did not bore you too much while telling you a little about me and how I make it week to week while our Cowboys make their run to the Super Bowl.

Got Miles?

I picked up my copy of the latest Sports Illustrated on my lunch break this afternoon. No, unfortunately I’m not a subscriber, usually you get so tired of the bashing and failed predictions, etc. but this fan just couldn’t pass up a Cowboy cover! Miles Austin looks great.

Inside they label Austin “the Antidiva”. I think we all know what (or rather who) that’s referring to.

The last line of the Miles Austin section cracks me up – Coach Ray Sherman told Austin, “You’re not a surprise to anyone anymore. They’ll be gunning for you now. Don’t go all Hollywood on me.”

Gotta love it!

I shall put my magazine in a slip cover and preserve it to remind me of this wonderful season. But, don’t put away the memory chest just yet, we ain’t finished here. Without a doubt, there will be more Cowboy covers on the newsstands as they make their way to top and reach for the Lombardi!

Cowboys Extra Points: Bring on the Noise

Defensive stars Jay Ratliff and DeMarcus Ware were named to the All-Pro Team earlier this week. The Associated Press names 12 players to the NFC team. This is Ratliff’s first time to be named the honor and Ware’s fourth time. Center Andre Gurode was named to the 2nd All-Pro Team.


Cowboys Defensive line coach Todd Grantham has accepted a job as the defensive coordinator for the University of Georgia. The Cowboys have already found their replacement, former assistant coach Paul Pasqualoni. Pasqualoni, who was on the Dallas coaching staff from 2005-2007, was recently let go by the Miami Dolphins and was readily available. Both coaches are expected to travel to Minnesota this weekend.


The Cowboys injured starting running back (knee) Marion Barber practiced Thursday and was expected to practice Friday as well. Coach Phillips was encouraged by Marion’s progress and will be monitoring him close up until game time to decide whether he will be effective enough to play in Sunday’s game.

Also, Pat Watkins who has been out for a month practiced fully this week and has a good chance to return to the field this week.


The Cowboys practiced in Cowboys Stadium on Thursday due to the weather conditions, and I have to say it was a great idea to blast crowd noise to prepare the players for Minnesota. They overcame the noise in New Orleans and Minnesota will be just as loud, if not worse. I think the Cowboys and fans alike have learned a lot about the effect of crowd noise level this season.


With all the trash talk going on lately, mostly from our opponents I’d like to through this at ya, from Gerald Sensabaugh in response to Favre saying he’d be shocked if Minnesota didn’t win:

“We’d have to beat ourselves to lose. The way we’re playing right now, I don’t think we can be beat.”

Personally I liked it better when our ‘Boys were keeping their mouths shut until the job was done, but hey we’ve heard worse things coming from cocky Dallas players in the past… ha ha.

On another note: Is anyone else sick and tired of hearing about Romo facing his childhood hero?

Brett Favre Respects The Star

I just read a interesting article by Matt Mosley of ESPN who got a chance to listen in on Brett Favre’s conference call with the media on Wednesday. He spoke mostly about the upcoming game between the Vikings and the Cowboys as well as some of the Vikings’ issues. Here is a brief recap.

On who is the hottest team…

“From the outside looking in, if you had to look at both teams, us and the Cowboys, you’d go, OK, aside from the fact that the Cowboys are playing at the Vikings, who is the hottest team right now? Well, I mean, no duh. The Cowboys are. In all phases, they are playing great. Their defense is playing outstanding. They are peaking at the right time, if you will.”

On his teams biggest challenge this weekend…

“I mean, this is the playoffs. Rarely can you play badly or average and win. So, we are aware of how we need to play. In the fact that we are playing maybe, in my opinion, the hottest team in football right now. Just from a confidence level, from just watching them play, they are making plays, they know they are making plays, they are confident.”

Final thoughts on the Cowboys…

“You can see it, you can feel it. They just had that air about them that they couldn’t be beaten. So Dallas is playing like that right now. They are feeling it. “

One Proud Fan

As I sit here and think back over the 2009 season, I realize what a roller coaster of a ride it’s been for the Cowboys. With a 2-2 start and so many ups and downs since, I’ve got to admit I’m a bit surprised at how well things have turned out. And one thing is for sure….I am dang proud of the Cowboys for overcoming the obstacles and problems that have been thrown at them! Between injuries and numerous other difficulties, things were looking fairly bleak. But this team has heart and such a strong desire to win! To me, they truly are America’s Team.

Even if they don’t win in Minnesota (which I hope they do!), I’ll still be extremely proud of all their accomplishments this season, especially for getting the playoff monkey off their backs. We all knew they had the talent to do it and THEY DID! The Boys managed to make people like Tony Dungy eat their words and actually become “fans”. It’s nice to see them FINALLY get the respect they deserve! Even Michael Lombardi from NFL.com thinks the Cowboys have Superbowl potential!

Beating the Eagles soundly in consecutive weeks proves they have peaked at the right time. Even more importantly, they proved they have the right makeup of a potential Super Bowl champion. Behind a great pass rush, a strong offensive line and a pass defense that proved it can run and cover the best in the league, the Cowboys can play any style of game and win.

I totally agree with him. With the style of ball the Cowboys have been playing, they’re unstoppable and Superbowl bound! GO COWBOYS!!!

Roy Williams Steps Up In Playoffs To Add New Weapon To Cowboys

When Jerry Jones originally traded for Roy Williams, everyone I corresponded with that knew anything about the Dallas Cowboys thought that Williams was going to be opposite Terrell Owens.

When Owens was released, I was shocked because not only did we let go of a guy who is a Hall of Fame receiver, but we now had Roy Williams as our number one target.

It made me very nervous to say the least because when you look at Roy Williams in a uniform, he reminds you of Owens and Hall of Fame Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin.

Tall man at about 6’4 and 210 lbs, long arms, broad shoulders, very good speed and jump, a good sense of where the sidelines are to go along with good feet placement, and he can catch some of the weirdest passes at times.

Yet, when he finally got on the field, it was a major disappointment. He and quarterback Tony Romo didn’t always have the right timing with him, he didn’t always run the right route, and at times, he would drop major key passes, which definitely hurt his confidence.

It looked like the Cowboys were cooked for the season until Williams missed the Kansas City game and gave Miles Austin a chance to start, and it was the greatest thing Williams did all year because Austin exploded on the Chiefs, catching ten balls for 250 yards and a pair of scores.

Miles Austin is now a Pro-Bowl wide receiver while Roy Williams has had ups and downs during the season. Austin, in 12 games, caught 81 balls for 1,320 yards and 11 touchdowns while Williams has only 38 catches for 596 yards and 7 touchdowns.

It looked like Jerry’s trade for Roy Williams was a horrible idea. The Cowboys gave up a first, a third, and a sixth round draft for Roy Williams and a seventh round draft pick from the Detroit Lions.

However, I contended that Roy Williams was just in a slump and with time, it would go away.

It looks like it just might be gone now.

Jean-Jacques Taylor of the Dallas Morning News stated in a previous article that he doubted Roy Williams would be a factor in the playoff game against division rival, the Philadelphia Eagles. Well, he was wrong, I can definitely say that.

Roy Williams wasn’t hot, since he only had five catches for 59 yards, but he made a statement early by catching the first pass from Romo for 7 yards to set up a very manageable 3rd and 5. Later on in that drive, he made a 15 yard catch and run on 2nd and 11.

Despite not scoring that drive due to a few penalties and a sack on Romo that kept the Boys out of fields goal range, Roy Williams got his confidence back and made some big plays against one of the best cornerback tandems in Sheldon Brown and Asante Samuel.

Williams made two 17 yard catches on two 3rd down situations in two separate drives. Both drives led to scores by Dallas. One other time Romo threw a screen to Williams, who tripped and only got three yards, but he didn’t lose the ball, and trust me, the Eagles were trying to strip it all night.

Roy Williams is not a top five or ten wide receiver, but when he is on, he is just as dangerous as one. This game has definitely helped his confidence, and he refuses to give up on working with Tony Romo. He will now have another chance to step up since the Vikings will definitely put their best cornerback, Antoine Winfield, on Miles Austin.

Dallas will need Williams to get more plays and I believe that he has the ability to do it. He’ll have to prove it in Minnesota’s dome next week though.

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Flashback: Triple H Metrodome History

Here we are about to play in the divisional round of the 2009 playoffs against the Minnesota Vikings. The Cowboys have played a handful of games against the Vikings since 1961 and hold a 15-12 record over them. The Cowboys and Vikings have played a total of six times in the playoffs dating back to 1971 and Dallas has a 4-2 advantage. Of course none of this means anything and I did not want to pick out just one game to write about. So what I thought of was looking back at the games the Cowboys and Vikings have played in the Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome. The Metrodome opened in April of 1982. The Cowboys were supposed to play their first game in the new dome during the third week of 1982, but the players strike canceled the game. They did end up playing in Minnesota at the end of the 1982 season. So here is a list of games between the Cowboys and Vikings at the Metrodome. Some memorable, some not so much.

1982 – Dallas loses to Minnesota 31-27

Although the Cowboys lost the game this could be the most memorable game in the Metrodome for the Cowboys, Tony Dorsett took center stage as he ran for 153 yards. He also scored one touchdown on a record breaking run that will never be broken. On their own one yard line and only ten players on the field. Dorsett took the hand-off from Danny White and broke through the middle of his offensive line. He got into the Vikings secondary and with the help of some down field blocking from Drew Pearson, Dorsett scored from 99 yards.

1983 – Dallas beats Minnesota 37-24

Minnesota took a 24-10 lead in the second quarter. But then the Cowboys scored the next 27 points and won the game 37-24. Once again Tony Dorsett led the way with 141 yards rushing. The defense held the Vikings to 272 yards on offense which included just 44 yards rushing. The defense also intercepted three passes, returning one for a touchdown by Ron Fellows.

1993 – Dallas beats Minnesota 37-20

The Cowboys entered this game with an 8-4 record, but there just seemed to be something wrong with the offense. Which continued into this game before Troy Aikman connected with Michael Irvin for a touchdown to take a 10-6 lead. From there the offense seemed to wake up and Dallas took a commanding 27-6 lead into the third quarter. Emmitt Smith led the running game with 104 yards and a touchdown and Irvin ended the day with 125 yards receiving.

1995 – Dallas beats Minnesota 23-17 in OT

This game was a battle from start to finish and ended in overtime with a great Emmitt Smith touchdown run from 31 yards out. Smith finished the game with 150 yards and two touchdowns and Michael Irvin collected 107 yards and one touchdown

1999 – Dallas loses to Minnesota 27-17

This could have been a career day for Emmitt Smith. One week after the passing of the great Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith wanted to dedicate this game in Payton’s memory. Smith ran wild in the first half gaining 140 yards on just 13 carries. He scored twice, once from 63 yards and the other from 24 yards. But on his second touchdown he got his fingers caught in a Vikings face-mask and had to leave the game. No one could predict what Smith could have gained if he didn’t leave the game. He left the game with the Cowboys leading 17-0. From that point on the Vikings scored the next 27 points and won the game.

1999 – Dallas losses to Minnesota 27-10 in Wildcard Round

This was their second meeting of the 1999 season, but not memorable as far as the Cowboys were concerned. They never really challenged the Vikings in this playoff match-up. Emmitt Smith ran for 99 yards and scored once. Rocket Ismail caught eight passes for 163 yards.

2004 – Dallas loses to Minnesota 35-17

This was the opening game of the 2004 season. Another game that was not memorable for the Cowboys as it was their first of ten losses during the 2004 season. Vinny Testaverde led the Cowboys with 355 yards passing and one touchdown. Receivers Antonio Bryant had 112 yards and Keyshawn Johnson had 111 yards.

Again, this history lesson does not mean a thing. What really means something is this Sunday’s divisional playoff game in the Metrodome. The Cowboys will face a Minnesota team that was on fire most of the 2009 season. It’s now the Cowboys who are on fire and confident in what they can do and what they want to do.

Good luck Cowboys!! Sunday can’t come soon enough.

“I didn’t hear no bell”

A Business Approach

My wife asked me if I was excited last night after the Cowboys beat the Eagles and then again this morning. My answer was yes of course I am excited, but I can’t help having a feeling of taking a business approach to all of this. Maybe it’s because of all the haters and all the people that have been against the Cowboys. Maybe it’s because the journey is not over and the goal has not been accomplished. Was I excited and going crazy during the win against the Eagles? Yes! Am I enjoying the ride? Yes! But then there is this feeling of let’s get back to work.

I’ve seen it from the Cowboys players the last few weeks. It’s like a them vs the world type of attitude. Next up is a visit to Minnesota for the divisional round. And that is how the Cowboys are approaching it. Like I said earlier…A business approach.

As reported from DallasNews.com there didn’t seem to be too much celebrating in the locker room after beating the Eagles.

“Know what? It won’t be as much fun if we don’t take care of business during the week and prepare the way we can,” safety Ken Hamlin said. “Continuing playing is great, but we’re not settling for this one game.”

“That’s what I love about this team, it’s on to the next thing,” defensive end Marcus Spears said. “You really don’t have time to soak in what you just did.”

Here is a great post game interview from Marcus Spears on DallasCowboys.com. Listen as he talks about Minnesota…or is he? Couldn’t help but laugh as I watched it.


Maybe I am feeding off the players. It’s just how I feel. Take care of business and move on. Enjoy the ride of course, but there will be plenty of time to celebrate once they accomplish what they are after.